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In a scientific world gone mad, EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed is the controversial documentary that will chronicle Ben Stein’s confrontation with the Neo-Darwinian machine, exposing widespread suppression and entrenched discrimination in his heroic quest to bring back freedom in our institutions, laboratories and most importantly, in our classrooms, with the help of the world’s top scientists, educators and thinkers.
Coming to theaters in early 2008, EXPELLED promises to be the most controversial film of the year (think Fahrenheit 9/11 and An Inconvenient Truth).
August 24th, 2007 at 8:03 am
[…] his upcoming issue movie “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” seriously cast ID-ealogues as champions of academic freedom, the persecuted victims of evil […]
December 18th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
[…] like to present mainstream science–which flat out rejects Intelligent Design–as being dogmatic and unwelcoming to alternative ways of thinking. Is mainstream science dogmatic? Yes and no.On the one hand, science is anything but dogmatic. If […]
March 26th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
I am so disappointed. I had some respect for you.
I cannot stope shaking my head in sorrow. Ben, Ben, what’s next, a flat earth? Faith healing?
Tell me this isn’t so.
March 31st, 2008 at 9:23 pm
It’s absolutely incredible how people can post comments on a movie that hasn’t been released! I see this all the time and it smacks of a disingenous attempt to undermine a premise merely because it is not orthodoxy.
If those of you stallwart believers in naturalistic evolution truly have a rock-solid foundation for your worldview, then why all the hyperactive websites, comments and blogs trying to undermine I.D. and this film without ever seeing it or reading the books that contain I.D’s premise?
Much of what I have read, such as that found on “The Frame Problem” site, is reminiscent of the panic Einstein felt after developing Relativity, when he devised his “correction formula” to try to make the universe to be oscillating, rather than expanding from a definite beginning in space and time, with the obvious implications of all that. The only problem, as Einstein painfully learned, is you can’t just fabricate ideas in a vacuum to refute something you disagree with. You must demonstrate your refutation with verifiable facts.
April 2nd, 2008 at 6:48 pm
In 1992, it was much lauded in the news that the Catholic Church had apparently “vindicated” Galileo. In 2000, Pope John Paul II issued a formal apology for all the errors of the Church over the last 2000 years including the trial of Galileo among others.
350 years after his death….. opps we’re sorry, you mighta been about that earth revolving around the sun thingy. And if you read what the Pope actually said, it wasn’t really an apology… it was “appropriate for the time” as he put it.
Only one of many thousands of ignorant acts of the faithful. If it wasn’t for science and researchers you would surely still be burning people at the stake thinking they were possessed. Not knowing about a thing called bacteria.
The only ones trying to suppress anything, in a 2000 year old tradition, is the church.
I use to watch Ben and thought he was smart and just talked slow… now I know he’s just slow and scripted.
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:02 pm
I guess some folks need to read their history: After all it was Christianity that gave birth to the science that we know today, beginning in 1543 with the astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus’ publishing of De Revolutionibus. His thesis: The earth moves around the sun.
Included among these brilliant minds were Francis Bacon, Galileo Galilei, Edmond Halley, Robert Hooke, Christiaan Huygens, Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, Gottfried Leibniz, René Descartes, and Blaise Pascal.. The birth of modern science was complete by the time Sir Isaac Newton published his Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica in 1687. What did the vast majority of these men have in common? They were Christians who took seriously the Bible which tells us to “test everthing.”
And by the way, if one understands the original languages of tbe Bible he quickly realizes that there is not one mistake to be found in it regarding the natural world. In fact, the Bible speaks of the earth being round and many of other scientific facts, such as: A description of the water cycle (finally established by science in the 19th century), that winds blow in a cyclonic fashion (”discovered” in the 1890s), even a description of the Pleiades as a star cluster with its own gravity holding it together (discovered by astronomers in 1969). There are many such facts listed in the Bible, which were written down almost a thousand years before Christ. And now science has established that the universe had a definite beginning in space and time. Sound familiar?
Since science is the study of causes, what are the implications of such a discovery? Perhaps Albert Einstein put it best when he reluctantly acknowledged “the necessity for a beginning and the presence of a superior reasoning power.” And he was anything but a Christian when science demonstrated this.
So, perhaps “Bored” can take a lesson here: The fact is that if not for Christianity, all of us would not know a thing about bacterial or viral diseases, personal hygiene, all the branches of modern physics, geology, weather, etc. In fact, we would all still be living in the dark ages.
I suggest that those of you who are trying to censor films before they are released, or anything else that opposes scientific orthodoxy today, put off your boredom and start reading. The censorship of new ideas that you advocate is far more similar to the actions of past Popes to keep those early Christian scientists from publishing than anything else.
April 4th, 2008 at 12:02 am
russkij uchyonyj :
So the church didn’t place him under house arrest for his belief that the earth revolved around the sun for the rest of his life in a time when most people would have been outright killed for their blasphemy???? Is that what your telling me??? It just sounds to me like you side stepped it by showing he was a Christian also. Yes, they treat there own like crap also. My real point was that it took the church 350 years to come clean about it even though we already knew by then didn’t we. And I do not need to watch any film to know that you don’t have the right to teach my kids Christianity in a school we all pay for. I have the right to religious freedom as much as you or any one else. People don’t kill themselves any others in the name of Darwin but the “faithful” have killed there selves by the truckloads on a daily basis in the name of their person creator. Perhaps it is you who needs to first open you eyes before you read those books and maybe watch the news sometime, anytime, any day and count how many are dead in the “Holy land” today.
These people are the true believers. Something you could only hope to evolve to because they truly live by the Holy books and it’s the majority their education. But you know the creator better than them??? It’s not a choice in their schools, but it is here and shall remain that way. Your not going to corrupt our next generation. Do you understand why people strap bombs to themselves and blow people up and crash planes into buildings into building at 400mph??? The express lane to paradise. For them and their families. The family actually has a celebration party for them as right after. That’s nice. Thanks but you’ve only got more efficient at killing and not much better at progressing in knowledge. There is a reason they don’t call it Christian science. The same reason they don’t call it Muslim algebra. It’s because those things ascended above the walls of religion. No matter where you go in the world, 2+2=4 and the earth revolves around the sun, period. Whereas even people of the same faith can’t agree on the Bible. I will say it one more time, tolerance between religions will never happen because no two are compatible with each other. So since I have freedom of religion just like you and the rest of the country…. Don’t attempt to inject your Christian beliefs on anyone else through our public schools. You don’t have the right.
April 5th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Of course the church has had its blunders, such as the persecution of Galileo, which I never intended to deny. But those who have persecuted others in the name of Christ are not Christians at all. The point is this: Any persecution or censorship of new ideas simply because you don’t agree with them is not only unchristian, it is unjustifiable. And that is exactly what all these paranoid evolutionists are trying to do.
Two other points to make here: Muslim “true believers” are the ones who take their Koran seriously and then kill all others who will not submit to their belief. True Christians, like true Muslims, also take their Bible seriously and then they practice love and compassion. Anyone who advocates violence or censorship or persecution of others who do not agree with their view can no more be a Christian than was Adolph Hitler.
The other point is this: More people were ruthlessly murdered without cause by just three Darwinist atheists than the numbers who died in all the wars of history combined: Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. So, which belief system is more dangerous, the peaceful teachings of Christ (true Christianity) or Darwinist atheism?
April 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Are you smarter than a 5th grader???
If this can’t kill your ID ignorance I really don’t know what will.
As I have said previously, I have spent 20+ years as a Land Surveyor, humping thru swamps, forest, mountains, desert and any other train (minus the volcanoes) you can imagine in these United States of America that I love so dearly. During that time I have enjoy immensely observing the beauty of nature and the science behind it. I am going to prove evolution once and for all right here and now so easy that a 5th grader should be able to comprehend it, explain it to someone else, and test it solid in a very short period of time.
One thing I think too many of our “faithful” do is try to go straight from no eye to eye in one single step. After all, these same people think an entire human body went from nothing to everything in a single snap. So lets cut them some slack.
One thing I know about my own body beyond a shadow of a doubt is that I have a genetic advantage over 85% of the population. Can you tell by looking at me? No, you would surely not figure it out. Will running medical test on me help you figure this advantage out that I have? Nope. If I were fossilized today, in perfect condition, in 1,000 years would they detect this genetic advantage with the technology they have today? I doubt they would even be looking for it and am not sure if they actually could if they were. Doesn’t really matter for my point. One thing I know beyond a shadow of a debt thru my years of hiking thru Georgia wood is I am not even remotely allergic to poison ivy. If we were still living in nature this would be a distinct advantage for me simple because I can spend more time foraging for food, water, and shelter and not spending great deals of time scratching myself to the point of bleeding. I can do my job more efficiently simple because I don’t have to spend time looking at the ground for poison ivy like my friends do to avoid walking thru it. I can also spend better time and be 100% focused the entire time to instead of applying calamine lotion and just being aggravated. I can continue on, but at this juncture I feel no need to. You should have the basic point.
Now lets say you burn off a completely isolated island and plant nothing but poison ivy. Now drop me and 1 million random volunteers on this island. The outcome of this experiment is totally predictable and can be proven in a very short time span. 60 days at the most for the first phase anyway. A mass number of people will die immediately. PERIOD That’s a fact. A small few may find a good crab spot and protect it from the others, therefore surviving a little while longer. The fact is that only the 15% that is not allergic has any sort of chance at all of long term survival on this island and even some of them will surely die. Let say the ones left can eat and digest poison ivy but it makes us feel really ill for hours after. I still have the advantage over the seafood catchers because I can eat both. One slight migration of easy to catch seafood that you can catch with your hands and the seafood only group dies. After some many years of the survivors offspring we now have a new group that is not allergic to poison ivy and with enough time the stresses cause by whatever specific compound in the oil that causes the sickness will be overcome. The body will in fact search for ways to neutralize that compound and another code will change over unseen but not unfelt, because the next child will now not even get sick. He will in fact flourish and reproduce on a faster scale simply because he won‘t have to wait hours getting over being sick as the rest will have to. In do this he spends more time fishing and eating at will. Period. Totally predictable, totally provable, totally not random.
Can you really not appreciate that for what it is? Unseen and unsung. Stop looking for the first animal with a fully working eye. You have genetic advantages over me and others I am sure. Either you don’t know your own body very well or we simple don’t have a clue what we are looking for if it can even be seen. In this example it can’t be nor would you have had any reason at all to look for it. I’m a 10th grade drop out who never went to college, but was fortunate enough to get hired on at the age of 14 with a Land Surveyor whom is still one of my closest friends. I am a scientist at heart regardless of weather I went to school to study Biology, physics, or any of the other sciences. Common sense, observation, understanding, and humility can carry a person far in this vast and beautiful world of ours. I need no God to be in awe of these things.
Now, where are my millions????
russkij uchyonyj- if you have to trample my rights to fulfill yours….Then you are wrong. PERIOD Out of OUR school.
April 5th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Of course the church has had its blunders, such as the persecution of Galileo, which I never intended to deny. But those who have persecuted others in the name of Christ are not Christians at all. The point is this: Any persecution or censorship of new ideas simply because you don’t agree with them is not only unchristian, it is unjustifiable. And that is exactly what all these paranoid evolutionists are trying to do.
>>>How is there censorship??? Are we not talking about it right here and right now. Other than or schools, where don’t we teach it??? When you try to bring your god in our public schools you trample my right to religious freedom. How do the people on this site not understand that??? You can speak freely of it until your heart is content. Just expect to be criticized and ridiculed for bad ideas. Extraordinary claim require extraordinary evidence.
Two other points to make here: Muslim “true believers” are the ones who take their Koran seriously and then kill all others who will not submit to their belief. True Christians, like true Muslims, also take their Bible seriously and then they practice love and compassion. Anyone who advocates violence or censorship or persecution of others who do not agree with their view can no more be a Christian than was Adolph Hitler.
>>> the problem is that the “true believers” you speak of is a percent so small that it’s barely exist in either Christians or Muslims worldwide.
The other point is this: More people were ruthlessly murdered without cause by just three Darwinist atheists than the numbers who died in all the wars of history combined: Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. So, which belief system is more dangerous, the peaceful teachings of Christ (true Christianity) or Darwinist atheism?
Weather you regard Hitler or not I can only go by his word which were to invoked Jesus’ name in his speeches on a regular basis.
In Mein Kampf Hitler wrote “by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord”.
Even as late as 1941 Hitler told one of his generals in a letter: “I am now, as before, a Catholic and will always remain so.”
The SS belt buckles all said “God with Us”
While he may have been crazy as a loon, I hardly think you can put him as an atheist. While Mein Kampf my have to be takin with a grain of salt there are plenty of his public speached referring to the Lord, Jesus and Faith.
Stalin didn’t kill anyone because he was a atheist any more than he killed someone because he was an astronomer. Did he invoke the name of Darwin before he killed someone or I dunno, gimme a clue here. What would make you think he killed because he was an atheist? Because anyone who doesn’t believe in God “must” be a cold blooded murder because he has no God to answer to? No, my friend. I don’t need a carrot dangled over my head (heaven) to do right any more than I need the threat of hell too. I find people who need things dangled in front of them to do what they are suppose to do are highly unreliable. I won’t speak on Mao Tse Tung because I haven’t studied him, but once again, like Stalin, did he say he was killing people for Darwin or something??
The fact is that people don’t kill in the name of evolution or Darwin, because they are not under the delusion that this is just a quick stop over before the real glory, Heaven. In fact the very reason many do it is specifically to take the express train to paradise. I don’t have to question WHY they did it, they are usually thoughtful enough to make video before they do it tell me exactly why. Jihad, paradise, because God promised us this land. These people make it crystal clear before do these horrendous acts in the name of their creator. If you think Islam and Christian are so loving, you didn’t just climb in a box, you have it over your head. The book has move killing and hate than love. I’ve read it more than once. And if you think the Koran is any better you must not have read it. It say literally 1 time to not to destroy yourself and 36 times how those who die in Jihad go straight to paradise and the family goes to. Maybe your Gods need to stop sending people such condescending messages. The penalty for breaking anyone of the Ten Commandments is death by stoning. There has literally been death in the name of God every day since the Bible was conceived to current day today.
And more people by far have been killed in the name of someone’s God than all three of those names put together plus every war ever fought. In fact we are fighting a holy war right now so you can add to that tally daily and don’t forget to keep tabs on Israel, Pakistan, for that matter you need to keep a pretty close tally on the entire middle east as well as eastern Europe, America, let’s not forget about Africa where 150,000 a year and rising, die of aides as a direct result of true Christians, telling a population that is now 85% infected with aids that using condoms is a sin. Thank you Mother Teresa the whore and Mr. Bush who cut off the shipments we were sending them. Here in my hometown, abortion clinic bombings. I mean I can really go on for days on the many ways Christians alone tortured, burned, beheaded, drowned. Stoned, threw off cliffs. I mean you would really have to turn more than a blind eye my friend. Name one who actually said This one’s for Darwin BOOM !!!! Or maybe EVOLUTIONIST LOVE DYING MORE THAN YOU LOVE LIVING!!!! BOOM I think not my friend. If the Russian had shot nukes at us in the 80’s under Reagan, what do you think happens next??? I have not a single doubt that we would have launched on them. That’s not love for life my friend that’s plane and simple eye for an eye mentality that would have made all life on this planet extinct for some time if not permanent. I will protect myself if I need to but killing all life in pure spite wouldn’t be too loving would it??? That should answer that question.
While you maybe able throw some ideas and believe them to be true, it still won’t make it so. While all you stand to loose is the possibility over something no one will care about in a week, I am so confidant in my beliefs than I am more than happy to bet my eternal soul right here in front of God and Everybody. How no doubt about my convictions. No faith needed. Your faith has obviously blinded you to the many truth of THIS world my friend. Please watch the news sometime and study a little more history of the religion you choose to defend. And have enough respect for the Authors and Designers of this country who spilled their blood to allow you the freedom to practice you religion here without persecution. Show them respect by keeping it in your houses and your churches as they intended. Not in our schools.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?
– John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, June 20, 1815
Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.
– John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” (1787-88),
As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?
– John Adams, letter to FA Van der Kamp, December 27, 1816
“I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.”
“Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.”
-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father
April 5th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
russkij uchyonyj, #6:
“Included among these brilliant minds were Francis Bacon, Galileo Galilei, Edmond Halley, Robert Hooke, Christiaan Huygens, Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, Gottfried Leibniz, René Descartes, and Blaise Pascal.. The birth of modern science was complete by the time Sir Isaac Newton published his Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica in 1687. What did the vast majority of these men have in common? They were Christians who took seriously the Bible which tells us to “test everthing.””
So because Christian people did science, science is a Christian thing. Logical statements do not prove their converses. Fail. And correlation != causation. Double fail.
“And by the way, if one understands the original languages of tbe Bible he quickly realizes that there is not one mistake to be found in it regarding the natural world. In fact, the Bible speaks of the earth being round and many of other scientific facts, such as: A description of the water cycle (finally established by science in the 19th century), that winds blow in a cyclonic fashion (”discovered” in the 1890s), even a description of the Pleiades as a star cluster with its own gravity holding it together (discovered by astronomers in 1969). There are many such facts listed in the Bible, which were written down almost a thousand years before Christ. And now science has established that the universe had a definite beginning in space and time. Sound familiar?”
Yeah, except for little things. You know, like the Ark story. The age of the universe. The word for the earth not actually being “round”, but “circular” i.e. flat. The “water cycle” being completely wrong. And so on and so forth. Then add in the Church’s failings, like not recognizing that the Earth orbits the Sun.
“Since science is the study of causes, what are the implications of such a discovery? Perhaps Albert Einstein put it best when he reluctantly acknowledged “the necessity for a beginning and the presence of a superior reasoning power.” And he was anything but a Christian when science demonstrated this.”
Science didn’t demonstrate anything of the sort. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to demonstrate anything of the sort. Without that, all you have is argument from authority. Fail.
#8:
“Of course the church has had its blunders, such as the persecution of Galileo, which I never intended to deny. But those who have persecuted others in the name of Christ are not Christians at all. The point is this: Any persecution or censorship of new ideas simply because you don’t agree with them is not only unchristian, it is unjustifiable. And that is exactly what all these paranoid evolutionists are trying to do.”
So the Christians have an escape clause. Anyone who says they’re a Christian but does bad things isn’t a Christian. Oh, wait: Christian philosophy says that EVERYONE is a sinner. So EVERYONE who says they’re a Christian does bad things. Ergo, there are no Christians in the universe. But there ARE Christians in the universe, therefore the escape clause is a fallacy.
What “evolutionists” do when they exclude ID from the classroom is refuse to allow the teaching of non-science in a scientific environment. I know I’m shocked, how about you?
“Two other points to make here: Muslim “true believers” are the ones who take their Koran seriously and then kill all others who will not submit to their belief. True Christians, like true Muslims, also take their Bible seriously and then they practice love and compassion. Anyone who advocates violence or censorship or persecution of others who do not agree with their view can no more be a Christian than was Adolph Hitler.”
Oh, so all those Muslims who AREN’T killing all non-Muslims because it says so in the Koran are false Muslims, while all those Christians who AREN’T killing gays because it says so in the Bible are “true” Christians. Come on, it’s one or the other.
“The other point is this: More people were ruthlessly murdered without cause by just three Darwinist atheists than the numbers who died in all the wars of history combined: Hitler, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. So, which belief system is more dangerous, the peaceful teachings of Christ (true Christianity) or Darwinist atheism?”
Hitler, Stalin and Mao were not “Darwinists”. Hitler wasn’t even an atheist. Leninism and Marxism != Atheism. And here you subscribe to the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy: because Stalin and Mao were atheists who then killed people, you conclude that they killed people BECAUSE they were atheists. This is patently absurd. Finally, Darwinism isn’t even atheistic. It’s perfectly possible to believe in evolution AND God, AT THE SAME TIME. Imagine that. Final Failure.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Does getting frantic and calling others names, e.g. “Are you smarter than a 5th grader?” or coming up with ridiculous facts such as “Hitler was a Catholic” or that he invoked God’s name in speeches, etc. do anything to empower your argument? No, it weakens it. I love it when the use of reason and rational thinking only invokes name calling and ridiculous arguments. All you guys said about Hitler and your other buddies is just patently false because a majority of the justifications Hitler, Stalin and Mao used for their atrocious policies were atheistic justifications! Just a little use of the grey matter should help you understand that what we believe influences what we do.
Invoking a name or going to a church doesn’t make one a Christian (though it will make what you say appeal to the masses - hello?) any more than swimming in the ocean will make you a fish (unless, I guess, if you’re a Darwinist). But, why am I wasting my time with you? Your incredibly long posts filled with nonsense demonstrates how much the idea of God bothers you. If He really does not exist, then why all the hot air and frantic insults trying to prove it with empty arguments? But ignoring the facts and pretending that there is no God will not make God and the facts go away, any more than ignoring gravity will make it go away as you jump off a precipice.
I’ll just let a few of the many brilliant scientists who see God in the design of the universe speak to the issue for me. Now any honest person will look into what they’ve discovered, try to understand the data and decide for himself what the truth is. If dishonest, then he will just continue with his imaginations and pretentions as before. But that is a very sad thing.
“A superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology.” Fred Hoyle, Astrophysicist
“The laws [of physics] seem themselves to be the product of exceedingly ingenious design, which is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all…It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe….The impression of design is overwhelming.” Paul Davies, British astrophysicist
“As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?” Astronomer George Greenstein
“The modern cosmologist … gazes at the sky through the eyes of Einstein and sees the hand of God, not in angels (as the medieval theologians), but in the constants of nature.” Tony Rothman, theoretical physicist
“One would have to conclude either that the features of the universe invoked in support of the Anthropic Principle (fine-tuning for life) are only coincidences or that the universe was indeed tailor-made for life. I will leave it to the theologians to ascertain the identity of the tailor!” Bernard Carr, Cosmologist
“The problem here is to try to formulate some statement of the ultimate purpose of the universe. In other words, the problem is to read the mind of God.”
Freeman Dyson, Physicist
“The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine.” Vera Kistiakowsky, MIT Physicist
“Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say “supernatural”) plan. Arno Penzias, Nobel prize winning physicist, Co-Discover of the Cosmic Background Radiation
“Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God - the design argument of Paley - updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design….Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument.” Edward Harrison, Cosmologist
So, either deal with the observations and data that provide “prima facie evidence” for the supernatural origin and design of the finite universe, or just ignore it because you hate the idea of a God. Afterall, that is why Darwin’s theory became so popular in the first place: It gave people an excuse to dismiss the idea of God along with the responsibility for their actions. But if so many great scientists could come to grips with the evidence and acknowledge God, then only ignorance, dishonesty or stubborn pride prevents any of us from doing the same.
April 6th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
At least Antony Flew, the greatest apologist/philosopher for atheism during the last century, is honest about the evidence. He has became a theist.
http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/21PbAr/Apl/FlewTheist.htm
April 6th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
russkij uchyonyj Says:
April 6th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Does getting frantic and calling others names, e.g. “Are you smarter than a 5th grader?” or coming up with ridiculous facts such as “Hitler was a Catholic” or that he invoked God’s name in speeches, etc. do anything to empower your argument? No, it weakens it. I love it when the use of reason and rational thinking only invokes name calling and ridiculous arguments. All you guys said about Hitler and your other buddies is just patently false because a majority of the justifications Hitler, Stalin and Mao used for their atrocious policies were atheistic justifications! Just a little use of the grey matter should help you understand that what we believe influences what we do.
>>>>>First, yes I did name it that because as I explained if you read it, I claimed by that method I should be able to explain it to a fifth grader well enough that in turn he can in fact turn around and explain it to someone else. Getting past that I will only tell you that I will not even bother answering the rest of your post. Since you feel the need to tell bold face lies straight out of the gate. Hitler’s speeches and correspondence are well documented. All three of their government structures were mirror images of a church structure period. Justify it to someone else. There are literally thousands of books on these things. Read some of them. No matter how many good Christians you ever show my, they will never justify the wide swath of death you have you have plowed thru many countries.
What continues to ekk me is that not one ID coward will justify to me why he has the right to step on mine by teach their God in my school. The fact that you can’t and never will be able to makes me right, you wrong, and the need to push ID in my public school over. PERIOD
One more time for the GREATEST MIND IN ID EVERYONE, shhhhhhhhh
“does it bother you, the political agenda that gets attached with this? Are you part of that?”
Michael Behe- “Ah, yes and no and no and yes, I have very little interest in what goes on in public schools. My kids don’t go to public schools! Ha-ha”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx3GaDek98M
Get on the right side of the street my friend. Your no better than me as I am no better than you because we are by rights equal. That’s why I don’t teach voodoo in our public schools no more than you will ever teach you Christian God in our science classes. This is my only fight plan and simple. I don’t care what you believe until you try and force me and mine to convert to your beliefs. Thanks, but no thanks.
April 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Yes, Bored, I see. All I’ve been advocating in these posts is a coercive effort to teach God in the public schools - you can read all about it in what I wrote. Thanks for reminding me that the facts I’ve been citing are all merely an attempt to force God on you!
Where oh where in this blog is anyone who wants to take an honest and earnest look at history and the scientific data to search for truth? The Truth is out there…
“I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” Albert Einstein
April 8th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
russkij uchyonyj Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Yes, Bored, I see. All I’ve been advocating in these posts is a coercive effort to teach God in the public schools - you can read all about it in what I wrote. Thanks for reminding me that the facts I’ve been citing are all merely an attempt to force God on you!
Where oh where in this blog is anyone who wants to take an honest and earnest look at history and the scientific data to search for truth? The Truth is out there…
“I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” Albert Einstein
>>>>That’s the problem my friend, I see no place up there^^^ where you have justified why exactly, you think you are better than the rest of us. Do you not understand that I’m not asking you why your sharing on here, why do you need it in our schools?
That is quite a short list of scientist btw in comparison to the literally millions WORLDWIDE who we have zero control over. So how can you blame the WORLD of science for not allowing your bad ideas in? And your Einstein Quote, had you researched it briefly and not taken it on “faith“, you would also know that he came out with the first one I have listed below to clarify to the idiot religious fanatics who tried to latch onto it as they still seem to do today. He wrote this right after……..
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
“The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted [italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot.”
“But I am convinced that such behavior on the part of representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably more worthy task…”
All Einstein my friend, truly a great man indeed.
April 8th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
russkij uchyonyj Says:
April 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Yes, Bored, I see. All I’ve been advocating in these posts is a coercive effort to teach God in the public schools - you can read all about it in what I wrote. Thanks for reminding me that the facts I’ve been citing are all merely an attempt to force God on you!
Where oh where in this blog is anyone who wants to take an honest and earnest look at history and the scientific data to search for truth? The Truth is out there…
“I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.” Albert Einstein
>>>>That’s the problem my friend, I see no place up there^^^ where you have justified why exactly, you think you are better than the rest of us. Do you not understand that I’m not asking you why your sharing on here, why do you need it in our schools?
That is quite a short list of scientist btw in comparison to the literally millions WORLDWIDE who we have zero control over. So how can you blame the WORLD of science for not allowing your bad ideas in? And your Einstein Quote, had you researched it briefly and not taken it on “faith“, you would also know that he came out with the first one I have listed below to clarify to the idiot religious fanatics who tried to latch onto it as they still seem to do today. He wrote this right after……..
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
“The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted [italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot.”
“But I am convinced that such behavior on the part of representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably more worthy task…”
All Einstein my friend, truly a great man indeed.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Bored: I think you may be suffering from a condition called “worldview confusion.” It’s what happens when you haven’t studied enough in order to understand the details of what a great mind is stating.
I am familiar with what Einstein wrote. After Edwin Hubble’s discovery of the “Red shift” and the consequent expansion of the universe from a singularity, or initial explosion of all matter out of nothing, Einstein was forced to admit that the evidence points to a universe that is finite and which had a definite beginning. Which means the four dimensions of space-time had a “primal cause” as Aristotle termed it.
He therefore came to understand that a “great intelligence” is behind it all. His rejection in the above quotes of a “doctrine of a personal God” simply means that he could not accept theism. He had become instead a deist, like Thomas Jefferson. Deism is the belief that there is a god behind all of the physical realm, but that He is not a personal God who is involved in the universe. He simply created it all with its attendant laws. The laws of physics that Einstein and so many scientists study are seen by many of them to be self-perpetuating and self-governing. Such men (and women) believe in a Creator, but not in divine providence. To them, God does not interfere, intervene, or get involved in any of the internal workings of the universe. He wound it up and let it go.
I never said that Einstein was a theist. I also never claimed that the many hundreds of thousands of scientists who believe in God were theists either (though there are many thousands of top-notch scientists who are). If you have the time to read a list of them, go here:
http://www.tektonics.org/scim/sciencemony.htm
I also did not claim that the majority of astronomers (and it is a majority) who believe in a Creator were theists either. But the point is that based upon the evidence they have concluded that the universe had a beginning and since all finite phenomena that we can study have direct causes, the universe must also have a cause.
In order to have brought about the immense, though limited, universe, That cause by its very nature must be beyond what is finite. It must be infinite. All I’ve been saying in these (once again I think I’m wasting my time here) posts is that Darwinism is by necessity and nature a theory based on the presupposition that the universe is infinite, with infinite matter. That is the only way that such matter could come together naturalistically on its own to form life.
That’s why, folks, the theory is now being challenged by so many in the scientific community. With an absense of such unlimited quantities of matter as well as an eternity during which it could form life, naturalistic evolution is an impossibility.
According to some recent studies, scientists are about as likely to be believers in the God of the Bible as truck drivers or other average people. Read the book “Science & Christianity - Conflict or Coherence” by Dr. Henry Schaeffer, a molecular physicist
Though you may not be able to accept it, the conclusion I stated yet again above has been made by the most brilliant minds in science (or philosophy) throughout history, period.
May God bless you (and I really do mean it)!
April 9th, 2008 at 9:24 am
DISCOVERY INSTITUTES BEST SHOT….
I would like to take a moment and ask people to take an honest look at The Discovery Institute’s best comeback and attempt to discredit the 2006 film “Flock of Dodo: The Evolution, ID circus” by Randy Olsen. Brace yourself for the DAMING evidence my friends and I would ask that you more importantly watch the twisting of the whole truth. The Discovery Institute was peed off that Olsen busted Wells (ID Fellow) book out when he asked Calvert to show him in one of he’s many text books to find Haeckel’s diagram
In one of the many text books he had on the shelf behind him. He couldn’t, they searched and searched. In this video below however you will see them go through a few books, and show the picture time after time saying, “See there it is again, yep he was lying”. The fact is like I have said before, notice how they never tell you what all the paragraphs right below the pictures tell us. In fact I will defy the good Christians out there to find me a current text that in fact shows it as anything but an example of a scientific blunder. We don’t suppress information as I have noted before. We show people examples of bad science. Please enjoy. I had to watch it twice I was laughing show had at the deceit.
HOAX OF DODOS
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8732543236266221620
Here is pz’s explanation, not that one should be needed lol……
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/02/wells_false_accusation_against.php
Also don’t miss the outtakes from Flock of Dodos, which had Randy Olsen not been trying to present a bias view could have seriously beat up on ID, had he only left them in the film. Also notice how Cashill (great ID mind) reviews Flock of Dodos. Quit deferent from the way this film has started out even before it’s release. I think Expelled only helps our cause when you only look at the obvious deceit that has already had light shined on it. The lies about the Title as well as the purpose of the film, EXPELLing people from a free admission, no less someone who is actually in the film who shouldn’t have had to sign up, who should in fact have been asked to attend. At least that’s how our side does it, as you will see. Yes, bad idea. The Iders I feel have revealed themselves to us all.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7142082734991931331&q=flock+of+dodos&total=15&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
I believe this speaks volumes of ID‘s character. This is not the kind of behavior people indulge in inside the scientific community. If someone gets caught lying, they are heavily ridiculed, as well they should be, and they only screw themselves by doing it because they loose credibility for future research, AS THEY SHOULD.
April 9th, 2008 at 11:39 am
we need to stand up the darwin people are steping on our freedom of speech. and when we bite back we are the ones that get in touble. i cant get away from it now every were i go from the store to school i see ani- christ adds, shirts, bumperstickers i am TIRED OF IT!!!!!!!!!!! no matter if they like us or not, it doesnt matter they are denying us our freedom of speech. and seperation of chuch and state wasnt oringnaly writen like that it was that the nation would not establish an national religon.
April 10th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
To whomever might be monitoring these comments (I wish there were a link for general questions, but, here goes…)
Ironically enough, from what I can tell so far about the movie is that it may overlap with David Horowitz’ call for an Academic Bill of Rights, even though he might personally hate that thought. Your (producers’) thoughts?
Thx.
April 11th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
As a Pentecostal Christian, I like to believe that how I view life is similar to first century Christians, who really were members of a new Jewish sect. As a physician and a scientist, I like to believe there is power in the scientific method. While I am Fundamentalist when it comes to biblical PRINCIPLES, I also know that the bible is not a scientific text book, no more than it is an instructional manual for fixing my car.
Humans have evolved so that the brain, a physical entity, eventually became the center of Spirit: our communication center with God and the starting point for an individual’s entry into the kingdom of God. Ancient Jews and first century Christians believed the same thing: that the dead are dead. There is no “flittering off to heaven or descent to a firey hell” but rather a rest in the “bosom of Abraham” until the final resurrection. To Christians, Jesus the Messiah was the prototype or First Fruit of this with his resurrection after 3 days in the ground (the hole or “hell). This isn’t hard to understand but has been totally mismanaged the last 1650 years: our Spirit is the consequence of our physical body and our physical body is a consequence of evolution. Now, for the nuts and bolts of being expelled…
Kudos to you Ben Stein and your producers. You are exposing a modern version of book burning. Obviously, if I believe, along with the ancient Jews and first century Christians, in a guided or designed evolution, I part company with atheistic evolutionists (BTW: the fear and love of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom).
I’m not worried about men dancing around with plastic dinosaurs nor pretend petroglyphics of monsters. My main and very real concern is with the political influence of the atheistic evolutionists (”AE’s?”). It will be soon occur that teaching our own kids about religion will be outlawed, and that is not over-the-top. I was once accused of “child abuse” by my ex-wife because I “scared” the kids. As a curiosity, follow the state laws in New York and California concerning home schooling.
April 12th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
People, people, people, or should I say Apes, apes, apes? Get real!!! Darwinism is a THEORY!!!! NOTHING MORE! Find GOD and find TRUTH! Great job Ben, and THANKS. It’s about time someone had the guts to go up against these idiots. GOD will bless your work.
April 13th, 2008 at 7:16 am
GREAT MORAL COMPASS?
There is also the story of the sale of Joseph by his brothers for twenty pieces of silver (Genesis 37:25-28) and the enslavement of the Hebrews in Egypt and their liberation by the the hand of God in the Exodus, led by Moses, who was himself born a slave.
“And if one of your brethren who dwells by you becomes poor, and sells himself to you, you shall not compel him to serve as a slave. As a hired servant and a sojourner he shall be with you, and shall serve you until the Year of Jubilee. And then he shall depart from you—he and his children with him—and shall return to his own family. He shall return to the possession of his fathers. For they are My servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt; they shall not be sold as slaves. You shall not rule over him with rigor, but you shall fear your God.” (Leviticus 25:39-43)
“If you buy a Hebrew servant, he shall serve six years; and in the seventh he shall go out free and pay nothing. If he comes in by himself, he shall go out by himself; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master has given him a wife, and she has borne him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself. But if the servant plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ then his master shall bring him to the judges. He shall also bring him to the door, or to the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.” (Exodus 21:2-6)
If your brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you, he shall serve you six years; and in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you. And when you let him go free from you, you shall not let him go empty-handed. You shall furnish him liberally out of your flock, and out of your threshing-floor, and out of your wine-press; from that which the Lord your God has blessed you, you shalt give to him. (Deuteronomy 15:12-14)
“And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.” (Exodus 21:7-11)
“And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property. And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves. But regarding your brethren, the children of Israel, you shall not rule over one another with rigor.” (Leviticus 25:44-46)
In the course of war, it was permitted to take slaves: Deuteronomy 20:11-14 “If they open the gates and surrender, they are all to become your slaves and serve you”, subject to the other rules relating to the treatment of slaves.
This was expanded in Exodus with the guidelines for Jewish soldiers who went on a quest to look at men to war in foreign lands and saw a beautiful woman who they wished to marry. Women captured by Israelite armies could be adopted forcibly as wives, but first they had to have their heads shaved and undergo a period of mourning. (Deuteronomy 21:10-14)
“If an ox gores a man or a woman to death, then the ox shall surely be stoned, and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall be acquitted. But if the ox tended to thrust with its horn in times past, and it has been made known to his owner, and he has not kept it confined, so that it has killed a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned and its owner also shall be put to death. If there is imposed on him a sum of money, then he shall pay to redeem his life, whatever is imposed on him. Whether it has gored a son or gored a daughter, according to this judgment it shall be done to him. If the ox gores a male or female servant, he shall give to their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.” (Exodus 21:28-32)
A slave was entitled to a day of rest on the Sabbath. The Shabbat rules applied equally to a slave owned by a Jew, whether the slave was an Israelite or not. (Exodus 20:8-10 and Deuteronomy 5:12-14)
“He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death.” (Exodus 21:12)
“And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be avenged. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be avenged; for he is his property.” (Exodus 21:20-21)
“And if a man strikes the eye of his male servant, or the eye of his female servant and destroys it, he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake. And if he knocks out his male servant’s tooth, or his female servant’s tooth, he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake.” (Exodus 21:26-27)
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.
Most divine book EVER written??? I think not.
April 13th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Steve Says:
April 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Question: Who has more faith.? One who studies the complex “designs” found in nature and claims there is no “designer”?
Or one who would postulate “design” equals “DESIGNER” ?
I say “It takes a lot of faith brother to believe in something from nothing, design without a designer.”
Its just a question who’s faith/dogma do you believe “The Godless religious zealots” And yes it is a religion, with its sacred doctrines, sacraments, and beliefs.
Please show me a country where left wing Godless religious
People have ever prospered and flourished?
Yours for God and country,. Steve M
>>>>>Norway, Iceland, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium, Japan, the Netherlands, Denmark, and the United Kingdom are among the least religious societies on earth. According to the United Nations’ Human Development Report(2005) they are also the healthiest, as indicated by life expectancy, adult literacy, per capita income, educational attainment, gender equity, homicide rate, and infant mortality.
Please stop praying long enough to open one eye.
April 13th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Conversely, the fifty nations now ranked the lowest in terms of the United Nations’ human development index are unwaveringly religious.
Mere blind chance??? No more than Natural Selection my friend.
April 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
The Only words written “by the hand of “GOD”….
Wait for it……….
1. You shall have no other gods before me.
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Now, if I’m the “Creator of EVERYTHING” I must have the biggest pair ever, but why so insecure then???? And this is GOD’S top 3 things to do here on earth??? Moving on….
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his manservant (sounds gay), or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass (told you), or anything that is your neighbor’s.
Yep, truly divine. It’s too bad he couldn’t have taken a minute to explain about germs or the “WHY” as Iders like to profess for the few moments( I am assuming) he had the chisel. The penalty for breaking any of these is Death by stoning, before eternal Hell of coarse. Guess he’s just not much of a writer.
This is for John, a look at a single line from the Jain patriarch on how to live, the reson MLK JR was the great man he was in fact …
“Do not injure, abuse, oppress, enslave, insult, torment, torture, or kill any creature or living being.”
Well, I don’t think they have to worry about copyright infringement do they John?
Maybe God should have taken a philosophy, ethics, or moral class. I would think the hand of God would write the most divine words of all. What a smoldering pile.
April 16th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
A simple question. If evolution really existed then how come we don’t see people walking out of the ocean on a daily basis? Does this mean evolution has ceased? Or better yet has creation adapted to our environment?
April 17th, 2008 at 8:55 am
HERE’S A MOVIE PROMO WEBSITE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM “EXPELLED”…
We do not list movies in advance unless there is a promise from the distributor that they’ll report box office or unless it’s from a distributor that has consistently reported in the past. Neither is the case for Expelled. We even reached out but have received no reply yet.
Otherwise, we wait until after the movie is out, and, if there’s box office information available, we list it. If not, we don’t.
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April 17th, 2008 at 10:08 am
mstremme913 Says:
April 16th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
A simple question. If evolution really existed then how come we don’t see people walking out of the ocean on a daily basis? Does this mean evolution has ceased? Or better yet has creation adapted to our environment?
>>>>Sorry mstremme, but even most Christians don’t view it that extreme. The change are very small over vast amounts of time. Over hundreds of millions of years in fact from ape to man. If you want to see this process then you need only look at the transitional fossils we have so far and keep in mind that fossils are in fact very rare because of the factors involve in preserving a fossil. Even though they are rare we still have boatloads of them and continue to add to them on a regular basis. Have a look at just some we have so far.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils
And you don’t have to trust wiki, just google transitional fossils and you’ll find more than enough to keep you busy for some time. Hope this helps.
April 17th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Hey Bored, how’s the purple kool-aid?
Got ya hook, line and sinker don’t they?
Sure are expending a great deal of time and energy here to “enlighten” us all on something so clear cut, eh?
April 18th, 2008 at 5:57 am
Truth Hurts Says:
April 17th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Hey Bored, how’s the purple kool-aid?
Got ya hook, line and sinker don’t they?
Sure are expending a great deal of time and energy here to “enlighten” us all on something so clear cut, eh?
>>>>Acually, we don’t really like kool-aid, that seems to be the cult or religous sects that seem to lean toward such things. Let us remember Jones town. So, I would have to think it might be you who needs to put down the kool-aid.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
You can accuse us creationists with every non-moral action immaginable BUT, the big lie, evolution, still exists!
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Russell’s teapot, sometimes called the Celestial Teapot, was an analogy first coined by the philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872–1970), intended to refute the idea that the burden of proof lies upon the sceptic to disprove unfalsifiable claims of religions. In an article entitled “Is There a God?”,[1] commissioned (but never published) by Illustrated magazine in 1952, Russell wrote:
If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.
April 19th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Evolution: a scientific theory that works whenever it has been tested by new data.
Intelligent Design: Philosophy
This means ID should not be taught as science because it is not.
End of story.
April 20th, 2008 at 11:18 am
How long will it be before we hear the next great leader of this nation say this, ….
“President _______ said to all of us: ‘I’m driven with a mission from God,’ ”
“God would tell me, ________, go and fight those oppressors in China.’ And I did, and then God would tell me, _________, go and end the tyranny in China …’ And I did. And now, again, I feel God’s words coming to me, ‘Go get the Tibetans their state and get the Chinese their security, and get peace in Asia.’ And by God I’m gonna do it,”
It will be the end of everything we know and love when that day comes weather you believe it or not. Reagan took us to the brink with his 2 TV evangelist advisors who were present for any of his important decision making meetings. He almost ended it then and I can’t believe we can survive much longer before the statement above is made for real. Superstition has to die or we all will.
Does the above sound familiar??? It should……….
‘I’m driven with a mission from God,’ ” .
“God would tell me, ‘George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.’ And I did, and then God would tell me, ‘George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …’ And I did. And now, again, I feel God’s words coming to me, ‘Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.’ And by God I’m gonna do it,”
Bush in June 2003
3 Trillion dollars later and counting.
1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict(August 2007) and counting daily.
This country sits on 10,000 plus nuclear warheads, 2000+ in my state alone. It would only take 5 or 6 to completely wipe out most life on earth, including us for 250+ years. At least. I don’t need the superstitious in office or school. Thanks
Stop trying to bend EVERYONE else to your God’s will.
April 21st, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Proving ID in no way “proves god”, it would merely prove a designer. With that said, proving ID would simply mean something made something else, that is all. Anything beyond that, without further evidence,is blind assumption or faith. For all intents and purposes, an extraterrestrial could have churned earth’s life out of lab equipment as easily as a divine being could have engaged supernatural powers to do the same.
I am an agnostic in “faith” terms, and I believe in evolution due to the monumental amount of evidence in its favor. I also believe that panspermia and Intelligent Design can coexist with evolution and that all three could be catalysts for life in this universe. Intelligent design so easily fits into an evolutionist view that it is almost scary. You see, evolution is a dance of natural forces and probability.
Now, what most creationists get hung up on is the fact that they take all the huge probability factors as a one unique occurrence kind of event. This simply isn’t so. In the reactions required for evolution, and abiogenesis, you have thousands to millions of these same probability reactions going off many times, not just once. Therefor,
that 1/1,000,000,000,000 chance starts becoming 1,000/1,000,000,000,000 and further. Now if you extrapolate this over the literally, trillions upon trillions, upon trillions, of stars found in our universe you add even more chances, even if you take a very conservative sample as having planets conducive to forming the life that we know. The point is, is that that 1/100,000,000,000 chance will hit 1/1 or greater and that means it becomes a physical certainty.
With evolution, you only need intelligent life to evolve naturally once in order to ensure a causality for future ID. So given the vast age of this universe, some 15 billion years, and given that it took only some 5 million years to go from Lucy to Homo Sapien at his current technology level, imagine what could be accomplished by a species who arose even 1 billion years after the birth of our universe. Their technology would appear as magic and I have no doubt that such a species could forge life with ease seeing as they would have 13 billion years of technological progress behind them.
What it all boils down to is that religious folk should not use ID as some holy grail that will shatter evolution asunder and make their creation views and god ascendant over others. As I said, it merely proves that something was designed by something else, and it could be an alien, a god, or AI for that matter. Since evolution has much evidence behind it, and the fact that ID could fit into a universe where evolution occurs, I would urge people of faith to consider these implications before taking up ID as a sword against evolution, for it may backfire.
April 27th, 2008 at 2:27 am
There is a God and he loves you even if you don’t believe he exists. I pray for all those of you who deny him and know that one day you will know the Truth and that IS the Truth.
Don’t tell me not to pray for you cause it will not do any good… if you don’t believe it does anything then you don’t have to worry about it, if I am the one who is right then I’ve got you covered and many many Christians are praying for you every day probably every second. Some day we will all find out the Truth and it makes me so sad that for some of you it will be too late…
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Rom 1:19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Rom 1:21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man–and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
Rom 1:25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
Rom 1:27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
Rom 1:30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful;
Rom 1:32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
If you believe in evolution then you should know a little more about what you are “suppose” to believe…we didn’t evolve from monkeys, what came before the monkey, and before that…
Your great great great great etc. grandpa was a rock… How intelligent does that sound….
But oh I forgot, as long as you figure in a few million or wait its changed to billions of years I guess that makes it all possible.
May you all find Truth
April 27th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I have a question. Is Dolly the sheep an example of evolution or creation?
April 27th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
KevinB Says:
April 27th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I have a question. Is Dolly the sheep an example of evolution or creation?
>>>>Acually, I can’t see how cloning would be either since it has exactly the same DNA and its not making it from scratch either. They didn’t design Dolly, they just copied dolly’s parent.
April 28th, 2008 at 6:46 am
I finally got out to see the movie. Here is my review–
http://photontorpedotube.blogspot.com/2008/04/my-review-of-expelled.html
Edwin
April 28th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
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April 29th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
When someone can tell me how the “First Hydrogen atom that started the Big Bang” GOT There….then maybe I will think about evolution. Until then I’m going to keep believing in God because in all I see, I can see the “Intelligent Design” in it….Can you all be so blind???? It is all around you and you still worship the creation instead of the Creator…Romans 1:18-25